tv Meet the Press NBC October 15, 2017 10:30am-11:31am EDT
. this sunday, trying to undo the obama presidency, on obamacare, president trump moves to eliminate subsidies to help low-income americans. >> that money is going to insurance companies to lift up their stock price, and that's not what i'm about. >> many see th as an attempt to sabotage the affordable care act. >> obamacare is not perfect. but it doesn't mean you take it away and hurt people. >> the president threatens to end the nuclear deal. >> iran is not living up to the spirit of the deal. >> mr. trump taking aim at president obama chief domestic and foreign achievements. >> nikki haley and john kasich.
>> plus republican civil war. steve bannon identifies the enemy of the trump movement. >> there is a time and season for everything and right now it is a seasonal war against a gop movement. >> and more and more women accuse harvey weinstein of harassment. will the growing anger change hollywood and behind? >> joining me is kim early strasle, dan balz, nbc news capitol hill correspondent casey hunt and heather mcghee. welcome to sunday. it's meet the press. >> the longest running show in television history, celebrating its 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. it was easy to watch president trump go after president obama's signature domestic and foreign
policy achievements this week and conclude he was simply working to undo the obama presidency. but it was also possible to conclude mr. trump was eager to look like he was doing something. here's the president on friday about the proposed cuts to the poor on subsidies on obamacare. >> now, if the democrats were smart, what they would do is come and negotiate something. >> what would be nice, if the democratic leaders could come over to the white house. the democrats should come to me. i would even go to them. >> and here is the president on iran. >> we will see what happens with iran. we're very unhappy with iran. because we'll see what happens over the next short period of time. >> of course, complicating matters for mr. trump is the chaos that consistently surrounds his administration. the president engaged in a twitter battle with a chairman
of the committee responsible for my reworking of the iran deal. he larked out at rex tillerson, actually, even questioning iq and when tom price resigne eres. president trump is promising to make sweeping changes here and ov overseas. >> it has become a familiar tactic. >> congress has already begun the work and hopefully congress will come through. >> president trump pledged to follow through on his campaign promise to dismantle president obama's signature domestic and foreign policy achievements. >> we are going to have great health care. >> we are very unhappy with iran. >> then pass the buck to a congress controlled by his own party unable to pass significant legislation, challenging lawmakers to either constrain him or to help him achieve the goals in a more realistic way. on health care the president
ended government payments to insurance companies that subsidized premiums for six million low-income americans on the obamacare exchanges. the budget office says this move could raise premiums by 20% next year and leave one million more americans without insurance. >> that money is going to insurance companies to prop up insurance companies. that money is going to insurance companies to lift up their stock price. >> the president is already facing pushback from some republicans. >> low-income people are going to have a very difficult time that for some it may be impossible affording their deductibles and their koe-pays. >> the cost-sharing reductions if they're not paid to the insurance companies, premiums will likely increase. so the insurance companies will get their money either way. >> in the blame game of who broke health care, democrats are threatening to make this a
campaign issue this year and next. >> obamacare is not perfect. we should try to improve it. it doesn't mean you take it away and hurt people. >> meanwhile, on iran, after mr. trump was urged by many of his own foreign policy advisers to keep the knnuclear deal in place -- >> iran is not a material breach of the agreement and i do believe the agreement today has delayed the development of a nuclear capability by iran. >> in the event we are not able to reach a solution working with congress and our allies, then the agreement will be terminated. >> the president has kind of rolled the grenade in the room, had it go off without having a strategy as
to where we're going. >> and joining me now is the
u.s. ambassador to the united nations, ambassador haley. welcome back to "meet the press." >> let me start with the nuclear deal and what the president has proposed here. defense secretary 3459 tis said he believed the deal was in the national security interest of the united states. are they wrong? reports indicate that you have been advocating what the president did more strongly really than anybody else in the administration. why are they wrong and you're right about this? >> they're not wrong. when you talk about compliance, that is with the international agreement that was supposedly made. what we're talking about is all of the factors that go into u.s. law for the president to decide sit still proportional for the threat. when you look at the threats and when you look at the fact that they're the number one state
sponsor of terrorism, you look at the ballistic missile tests they continue to do, the arm sales, all the trouble they are causing around the world, what the president is saying is it's not proportionate. we need to look at this and see how it is. but in reference to what mattis said, with that, no one is questioning that what they have seen so far they are in compliance. >> you said something in a speech a couple of months ago and it was a rhetorical question, so i am going to make you answer it, i hope, which is the iran deal. congress has to determine whether it is too big to fail. do you believe ifs too big to fail? >> it seems like the international community acts like it is too big to fail. when the international community gives iran a pass for all these things and they look the other way all in the name of keeping the deal, then you are looking at something that's too big to fail, and that's the problem, is what we're trying to say is just
because we all made the deal, just because that was done previously doesn't mean you don't look and say, sit still working? is it still in our best interest? are we still doing the right thing? that's what we have to make sure we do, make sure we are always looking at these agreements we make and say is it still in americans interest to be doing this? >> the ball is in congress's court here. so what specific -- is the president asking for -- he obviously wants some more leverage in dealing with iran. i get that. what leverage is he looking for? leverage to renegotiate this nuclear deal, or is it something that allows for a separate deal to be negotiated with iran going forward? >> the goal at the end of the day is to hold iran accountable, to get them to be good community leaders, get them to stop all of these violations they're doing. look, the agreement was an incentive. it was for you to stop doing
certain things. you haven't stopped doing certain things. what do we do to make iran more accountable. i think what you will see is the president will work closely with congress to try to come out with something more proportionate and something that does make sense for the u.s. to agree to, as long as it is disproportionate, congress does need to take a look at it. >> if the united states walks away -- congress has not been effective at getting a lot of things through. it's not been an easy thing to watch this year. but if nothing gets done and the president does cancel the deal, what message does that send to a kim jong-un? >> what incentive does he have to strike a deal with the world community if the united states walks away from iran? >> it is interesting you say that because the whole reason we are looking at this iran agreement is because of north korea. when you look at accountability
not kept by north korea, that's the whole situation that got us to where we are having to watch day by day to see if they do an icbm test going forward. don't let it become the north korea. so what this says to north korea is don't expect us to engage in a bad deal and also if at any point we do come up with something, expect us to follow through with it. expect us to hold you accountab accountable. so i think we are sending a strong message. we are not going to give you a lot of money and say have a good time. look, this is a deal. you either comply. >> is it better to keep this deal in place or get rid of it? >> well, i think right now you are going to see us stay in the deal because we could improve the situation. and that's the goal. right now we are in the dpeeal see how we could make it better. we're trying to make the situation better. >> if there is nothing congress
can do to make it better in the eyes of this administration, is it better to stay in this deal as it is or get out? >> i'm not going to try and pretend that nothing is going to happen. i think we have to go with the hopes that something does happen. i think on both sides of the aisle we both agree that iran is a threat. the previous administration never let congress have anything to do with this. this was an executive agreement. it was never an international agreement that included congress. >> that's not fully fair. the reason we have this certification congress is because congress put constraints on the deal to do this. that is bringing congress into the conversation. >> and congress did that because president obama didn't give them the authority to be a part of that decision. so they did it to try and control the situation and not let it get to a bad problem. so i think congress was actually thinking of this in the first place. now we should let them follow through and see what they could do to make it better. >> in the reporting on this,
they called you the president's iran whisperer. and within that, there was a white house official that described some escalating tensions between yourself and the secretary of state and using the world war 3 tensions. what is your reaction to that comment? >> that is just so much drama. it is all this palace intrigue. every member works very hard to put options on the table for the president. our goal is to keep americans save. i am glad to be living in new york just for that reason. i'm going to continue to do a good job and so is ever member of the nsc. >> i want to ask you another question about something senator bob corker said.
he believes, he said this, us working with beijing effectively is the key to not getting to a binary choice. when you publically kas strait your sec sar of state, you take that off the table. do you agree with his assessment here that the president has essentially undermined his secretary of state when it comes to north korea and china? >> i'm not going to get into the drama of the he said he said situation. what i had witnessed is the president and secretary and president tillerson work very well together. they continue to work strongly together. he makes a decision. there is a mutual respect and they go forward. so everything that i have witnessed all is fine. and if there is a problem that's really a question for secretary tillers tillerson. >> do your understanding, does the president have full confidence in secretary tillerson? >> yes, he does. >> i want to ask you, put your hat on as a former governor of
south carolina. the president's decision on health care and these insurance payments, one estimation says that premiums could spike in south carolina 23% with this decision. if you were still governor, how would you handle the fall-out from this decision by the president? >> well, i think when i was governor, along with so many other governors, what we asked was for congress to act. and we said act in a way that we can get block grants. ask in a way we have more control over our money and control over the decisions that need to be made for the citizens we represent. i think what you are seeing now is congress didn't act, so the president did what a lot of governors would want him to do, try and fix something that was really bad that wasn't working for any of the states. i think he's done that. governors will now step forward and look at how best to move from here. i think that's going to be a conversation that happens between congress and the
governors, the president and congress and we'll see where it goes from there. >> is this, though -- you know this law well. you had to implement it in ways and i know you didn't necessarily agree with all facets of it and you didn't expand medicaid and things like that. be does a decision like this, does it make the law work less better? is that a good thing to do at this moment since congress couldn't come up with a replacement? >> i think you are asking the wrong person. i did not agree with the health care law. so i just as soon not have it. so having said that, what we saw is governors are best to handle their people themselves with their budgets themselves in the way that's best appropriate. what we have said is the federal government can't fix these things. so i think what that we saw was action from the president. that's what every governor wanted to see. you will see every governor step up and do what is in the best interest of their people. >> and finally back to your ambassador duties.
on cuba, john kelly at the podium was asked about what's been happening to american diplomats in cuba. he had a very cryptic response. and he simply said this, we believe that the cuban government could stop the attacks on our diplomats. but we have never accused the cuban government of being behind it. does that imply we know who is behind it, cuba knows who is behind it and we just got to get on the same page? or we don't know yet? >> basically it says we are not saying that the cuban government is responsible for these attacks. what we are saying is they are able to get down to bottom of it. this is a small enough country they could go and find out exactly what is happening and that's what we're asking them to do. what has happened to those diplomats is unconscionable. until you go and tell us how you are going to fix it we need to start having this conversation. but, no, we are not implying the cuban government did it because
we don't know that for sure. we are trying get to the bottom of it and make it stop. >> you mentioned a few times that you are glad you are in new york and not washington. have you noticed a difference in john kelly's tenure as chief of staff? >> well, i can tell you this, he is certainly very disciplined. he has brought order and organization to the white house in a way that i think everybody is relieved. and i think that he keeps everyone on message. he keeps everything going in the right way. but he still allows for communication to happen. so i think we have all been very excited and happy to
have general kelly. he's a huge asset to the team. >> thank you for coming on. >> when we come back, president trump is increasingly under siege from those who would normally support a republican president. here's just one example. columnist george will saying the president is, quote, untethered to ♪ (music plays throughout) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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criticism of president trump. we have been hearing a lot these days, but it is all coming from folks who would normally be pretty supportive of a republican president. used the phrase heading toward world war 3, recanting on the oath you took, something is going on, tantrum as governance. and he's better than this. you called it governing by cattle prod here. what is happening? it feels like we are at another level of republican concern about the president? >> i think you could argue it is another level. i think it is a continuing level. i think this comes and goes and there are moments when something happens. and i think you have to give senator corker the responsibility for ratcheting it up this week with what happened a week ago today in the tweets. but what we have seen from the
president and both on the health care and on the iran agreement, we have seen this effort of him clearly frustrated in action, clearly wanting to send a signal to his base that he is trying to do the things he said he would do, but without a clear solution or a path to get to where he wants to get to, so he throws it to the congress and says, y'all fix it. >> kimberly, your colleague on "the wall street journal" opinion page had a pretty tough piece on the president, noting all the different sort of blind quote complaints and public complaints. she writes this, a lot of people appear to be questioning in a new way or at least talking about it, the president's judgment, maturity and emotional solidity. >> i think some of the people you mentioned there are long-time critics of president trump. >> not bob corker, though.
>> but he was the last subject of the tweets. if you talk to most republicans, it is actually interesting, they are moved beyond the surprise stage anymore. what surprises them is anyone is surprised anymore. so they are instead trying to just get things done. i would argue that what you actually saw come out of the white house this week was in fact the product of some very deliberate work. it wasn't necessarily chaotic. they have been talking for a long time and decided to certify. he didn't deny his advisors. he didn't get out of the deal in the end. he decided to have congress finally have a say on all of this, which is what congress should have got to do in the first place. >> i do think that first of all, playing games with the iran deal does have a demonstrable effect on our credibility, on what's happening inside the country. it strengthens the hand of the anti-american hard liners. it is not a well thought-out
policy he's putting forward. it's as you said the desire to sort of make news and look tough and then punt without a sense of the end goal. and the problem is that these are life and death situations, that his sort of desire to always look tough, his desire to make news, whether it's in puerto rico, whether it's with the nfl, whether it's with health care, you start to see the sense that he's trying to create this constant us versus them where the us is a very narrow segment of the country and the them is far too many people whose lives are on the line and are vulnerable right now. >> one thing about bob corker's role in all of this is that i don't think his response is because the president tweeted at him. corker is extraordinarily strategic in this way. and he is someone who has built a relationship with the president and who has figured out what the president responds
to, which is strong public statements. many of the senators who have the best -- i'm sorry. >> that is true. it does get his attention. >> they have learned that if the president sees you on tv, then suddenly he thinks that you matter. and, so, i think corker has been watching carefully to see if his remark that the president could start world war 3 perhaps inclined the president to make a public stand and show that's not what he was going to do and corker was very involved with these mind the scenes negotiations. he didn't tgo as far as he wantd to go. >> but many republicans want to be handling this issue because, look, they were never happy that barack obama went out and had a piece of paper and didn't certify it, give it to the congress as a treaty for them to have a role in. >> he didn't do that because republicans, most of whom who are still in office were not willing to do that. >> what the hope is now, i think you can come out of this much
more strongly. what you do is you get congress and you get the europeans to renegotiate some of the terms of this and move beyond the kind of delusion nar policy of iran that wasn't really working. >> but, dan, he's asking a lot of congress in the next 90 days. we got to get a budget passed to keep the lights on, the debit ceiling. let's not forget the dreamers. although they they may extend the deadline. the health care issue is being punted to congress. they haven't had the capacity to get much done and now the president has made their plate fuller. >> yeah. >> it looks like it is going to implode. >> loading more and more on congress is an unreal expectation on the president given what we have seen this year and the difficulty to do it. i want to go back to one thing. you mentioned a lot of people who have been critical for a long time. i was struck by tom bar rick's comments. tom is an old, old friend, loyal to trump, somebody who he has
had a long relationship with, probably a friendship with that is pretty deep. for him to suggest in the way he did that he is stunned, disappointed, surprised, i mean, there was a level of concern that came through in that interview that i think everybody has to take note of. >> by the way, anybody else take note of nikki haley didn't pour cold water on the drama. she just distanced herself from it, i'm in new york. >> i think there is a level of frustration that people are so focussed on these internal what's going on in the president's allies and no one is paying attention to what's really going on out there. you know the iranian deal, it is bob corker and tom cotton working on legislation. >> steve bannon, look at what he did yesterday. he said if you don't denounce corker and mcconnell, you are on
my list. and he name checked. >> i agree. >> i know. you are going to go after her? >> and the broader strategy here i think we have talked about the president kicking all of these things to congress, it sets up very well for 2020. the president goes out there and says, this priority, this priority, this priority, congress you have add it. they do nothing. who is in a good position. >> it sets him up. what does it do to republicans in 2018? >> does he care? i'm not sure he cares. >> i'm wondering if steve bannon is trying to create enough of a new wave of republican candid e candidates this is going to be -- and i don't think this lek trorly going to happen, but there is a sense of a more extreme more pro-trump wave of candidates that he's trying to field in 2018. >> a lot of the people we're talking about here are not necessarily big successful case studies out there. i mean, look at nevada. how many times has he lost? five times. how many republican donors do
you actually get behind this movement? i think it's something that new republicans need to be aware of but we still need to see if it's going to work. >> do you take this bannon stuff seriously dan? there is times he strikes me as a lot of hat. >> i take it seriously because he has a megaphone right now and a platform he is using. and, you know, in the same ways that trump is a disrupter from where he is, steve bannon is disrupting. the more tension and the more infighting and the more anger there is created in the base against the republican establishment, the more difficult it is to get all these other things done. >> all right. i'm going to pause the conversation here. when we come back, governor john when we come back, governor john when this bell rings... when we come back, governor john ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business,
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you have been implementing the law. you have been both trying to propose fixing it and trying to make it work as it is. so let me ask you this. did what the trump administration announced on friday, do you consider it as some critics have a purposeful attempt to sabotage obamacare? >> well, chuck, i can't read people's minds, but what i can tell you is to cut these payments off. and the people are saying, oh, well these are some big bonus to insurance companies. no, these were payments to insurance companies to make sure that hard working americans who don't make a lot of money can have their copayments taken care of. it's a subsidy to do that. and what this -- what this decision leading to are higher prices. some people will not be able to afford health insurance or people will have to make very significant choices. and i'm talking about hard working people trying to work
their way up and out of their situation. it will impose higher costs on their families. some people will not be able to afford it. what are they doing? are they just passing these things and people are praising what the president did because of politics? do they understand the impact this has on families? on people? read the stories toof what thes people are saying. what is the purpose of this? i've got to say, chuck, this whole issue is about people. it is not about politics. it is not about numbers. it is about people. and these congressmen that are seemingly willing to do nothing. i've got to tell you, including the democrats who once this last republican proposal died, they seemed to walk away from the table and not want to give states flexibility. shame on everybody. who gets hurt?
people. it is outrageous. think of, chuck, if all of a sudden i told you you and your family have no health insurance or it is priced so high you can't afford it. can you imagine what your life would be like? >> we're not sure how insurance companies will handle this in some states. we know they have already filed their rates and in somepla plac they are talking about delaying their implementation. what is ohio going to do? if anybody gets caught in there, do you have a plan to subsidize on your own? i know minnesota is coming up with different ideas. >> right now we actually anticipated these payments would not be made. these companies are going to take this hit for the first two or three months. but for the next year, they anticipated these payments would be coming. we always budgeted conservatively and planned conservatively, but over time this is going to have a dramatic impact. now it is going to be up to the congress. alexander and murry, they were
out there doing things and then they disappeared. we need to stabilize that market. we have eight governors of both parties saying this was an essential thing to do and i hope alexander and murry will do it and i hope this will be absolutely bipartisan. this has to be demanded for our folks. >> these payments have to continue period? >> yes, for a while. >> and then what? >> chuck, we have a long program of how we can give states flexibility within guard rails. what we don't want to have numbers is massive numbers of people lose health insurance and at the same time they could have benefits that are flexible but they meet the needs of people and longer term we need to pay for quality health care. that's a bigger issue. >> you have been working with a lot of governors around the country that share your concerns on this, both republican and democrat. do you know if the white house reached out to any of these governors in the last week?
did the white house reach out to you? >> i don't know. >> when was the last time you spoke to anybody in the white house about this issue? >> this is a mantra about obamacare. and it's -- to me, it is fundamentally political because frankly if you are to do these things, what is the result? what are you putting in place? what is going to happen to the people that get stuck with these higher costs or lose insurance altogether. that's what i don't understand. i understand the politics. i really don't understand it. but the politics, but what about the policy? what comes in place? my mother and father used to say, if you don't like something, what are you going to do that's better? >> you keep referring to, and i'm curious, are you implying that you believe the president is just anxious to make it look like he's undoing anything obama touched, and is that your concern here with obamacare? >> i don't know about that, chuck. what i am concerned is, look, i just don't think there is any policy here. what i am concerned in terms of rejecting everything that obama
has done, and look i disagreed with president obama a lot of time. but one of the things i am concerned about is the drift that we are in right now in terms of america and the world. chuck, there is a battle now. the russians and the chinese want authoritarian type government and we are walking away from our allies. there is an issue here where we're weakening the things that we put in place after world war ii to keep the world safe and reflect our values. we can't afford to walk away, chuck, because if we walk away, this things collapses and who wins? the russians and the chinese. not good for our country and not good for freedom. >> there seems to be a massive battle inside this republican party. steve bannon yesterday declared it a season of war against the
republican establishment, singling out people like bob corker in particular and thought it was outrageous he cared to criticize the president. what do you make of what steve bannon is doing to the republican party. >> i was on a show not long ago saying i'm disamointed in the direction of the republican party. they cannot be anti-trade or anti-immigrant. they just can't walk away from increasing debt. the republican party can't go out and start grabbing people out of their homes who have been really good people living in this country and shipping them out of h country willy nilly or taking away health care for millions of people. this is not what the party is. look, i grew up in the region era. here's what it was. it was sunny. it was positive, inclusive. it was a big tent and there was room for everybody. progrowth, all the things that we really like. connectivity, welcoming. that's where this party needs to be. when we don't head in that
direction, i'm going to fight to push us in that direction. >> it sounds like you are kind of a lonely voice, even in your own state. your lieutenant governor, who is running to replace you said she wants to get rid of the medicaid expansion. i got to read this quote. we cannot have a governor who comes in with republican values and goes out with democrat values or independent values and think that the state is going in the right direction. it seems as if republicans who are on the ballot in 2018 are nervous about associating with your viewpoints about perhaps the trump base. >> you know, i think the base drives the politics here, to be honest with you. but, chuck, we're up 479,000 jobs since i came in after being done 350. we got $2 billion in the bank and a solid balance budget and we've left no one behind. now, i know it is difficult sometimes for people to be able to navigate all this, but i don't just want economic growth
nor those few. i want to make sure everybody in our state feels as though they are included, including the issue of race which we have dealt with very effectively here in the state of ohio. so my view is everybody ought to have a chance to rise. that's the party i grew up in and if people want to yell and complain and criticize, i don't pay any attention to that. we're doing the right things because the people in the state believe we're headed in the right direction. >> at what point do you any you won't be able to change your party? >> i never give up, chuck. i'm optimistic i can move the party in a direction that will be positive and we're doing it here. and, in fact, just because there is some activists that scream and yell, whatever, that's not where the bull k of the people are. >> have you ruled out running for president in 2020. >> chuck, i don't know what i'm going to do tomorrow. i will tell you this, the other day, my wife said to me one morning, you know, john, i wish you were president. that's how i knew the country
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welcome back. data download time. of all the splits that define the red/blue divide in america, none may be more important than where we live. looking at the presidential election results since 2000, it has become clear that the big metro centers are beginning to look more like each other than the rest of the states they're actually in. let's look at georgia. gore did 33 points better in fulton county than the rest of the state of georgia. it's a similar story in milwaukee county, wisconsin. in 2000, gore did 24 points
better in milwaukee than he did the rest of the state of wisconsin. 2016 that number climbed to 44 points for clinton. regional differences that we have long relied on have become, frankly antiquated ways to describe the country. atlanta and milwaukee, urban diverse. south and mid-west. so why is that? well, recently asked what kind of community people preferred to live in. 65% of republicans said they would prefer to live in a community where the houses are larger and farther apart, but schools, stores and restaurants are several miles away. that's a pretty spot-on description of a rural community or an outer suburb. among democrats, 61% of them preferred smaller houses, closer to together, walkable to schools, stores and restaurants. that's a pretty apt description of a big city or a close-in suburb here in america. look, these aren't just cosmetic
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>> end game, brought to you by boeing, continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. >> back now with end game. i want to start with health care. we know the problems of health care are fraught. who is responsible for health care going forward? 60% said president trump. pottery barn rule in effect
here? >> absolutely. somebody needs to tell the white house. he is deliberately sabotaging -- >> you believe it is a deliberate sabotage? john kasich couldn't go there. >> i don't think anyone another theory. >> i do. >> okay, go ahead. >> no. he's not deliberately. >> but didn't steve bannon actually just admit that? i was just looking at twitter. steve bannon just admitted that it is about sabotaging the bill. >> so the one word we haven't heard anyone say here is extralegal. these were extralegal payments. you are not supposed to make these payments unless they are appropriated by congress. >> and there is a legal dispute about it. >> and a judge has ruled. so far the only ruling on the books has backed up that. >> it was going to be appealed. >> and congress has wanted that authority back, okay? so i think the goal here is that, first of all, it is not necessarily going to destabilize the market.
although it will likely decrease choice which people will get back from subsidies they get back from the other end. >> it will cost more money. >> which is why it costs more money. >> and about a million people will lose health insurance. how is this not a problem? >> republicans probably have a motivation now to go out and continue them and put their stamp on them and democrats have a -- may have a goal to go out and give them some more choice. >> this is what i believe. you inspire a deal in congress. >> he is not against the subsidy payments. he just is daring congress to codify him. >> add it to the list, right, of things he is trying to get congress to do. >> how does that get through the house? that will get through the senate. how does that get through the house? >> look, i think if -- if they can, in fact, if lamar alexander and patry murray are able to come back to the table and get something done, i think there is a possibility there will be a bipartisan fix for the markets. now, to get it through the house
you will need nancy pelosi on board. i think that's part of the president's calculation here. i think he feels like chuck schumer understands how he operates a little bit here and him daring democrats to do this is part of trying to actually cut deals. i think at the end of the deal the president wants to cut deals and wants to be viewed that day. i think he's concluded that mitch mcconnell and the republicans aren't going to help him but democrats might. >> do you think he will sign anything that makes it look like he made a change? >> yes. because he's never been in a fixed position on what he thinks about health care. so i think he's open to anything that suggests that they are solving a problem or a piece of the problem. i think the question is -- i agree with you. i think he wants to make deals. i think he's not clear which side he really wants to try to deal with first or how he brings the two sides together if there is a way to do that. >> is there the political
capital for the democratic leaders to neg yaotiate with hi? >> i think if they were to be able to do something, which would reach real people, improve the health care situation in this country because we are talking a lot about political gamesmanship and where the president is trying to move and he wants to appear to look like he's the one that signs a deal but meanwhile people can't afford to go to their doctor and not because any fault of their own. why are so many people that need these subsidies? it is because big profitable businesses are not playing their employees enough and cutting back on benefits. it feels like oftentimes the core question of can working families afford health care is getting lost in all of this. >> here's the good news. i think health care is going to be in our political tv ads. >> what a great thought. >> let me change subjects here, harvey weinstein. women in hollywood say social
media, plus the anger about trump getting into the oval office instead of hillary were propelling forces in the fire raining down on wine steen. i hope it is a witch hunt. i hope it is a purge. there are people we have to get rid of in our business. let's put aside witch hunt is the wrong word to use here. do we think hollywood will follow through and truly purge? >> i'm not sure yet. i think, look, i think a lot of us, this town is a place where there is power imbalances in all the of the hallways. >> capitol hill. >> a lot of women have experienced a lot of things like this. i think the question is going to be is the culture on now a long-term ark of change or not? are women going to be willing to stand up and say, this thing happened to me, it's not okay. >> okay. i give you an insight on this
topic and the discussion we should have this morning. and one of my producers said the way i feel about the gun control debate which feels like we are always in cul-de-sac and it goes nowhere, she was arguing that's the sexual assault conversation we have and women in the workplace. we have the conversation when something high profile happens and then it goes away. >> i think we have the conversation a lot, if you think about it. for instance, a couple of weeks ago, everyone was having discussion about education secretary betsy deboss and the campus rape guidance. what i would like to see is that people can make some distinctions about the examples of this that are very, very bad like alleged by what just happened with harvey weinstein and realize not every situation comes to that level and that we need to make sure that those people are being made an example of, whereas, instead of having a muddy conversation on campus about anyone. >> i was sit anything this chair
when the access hollywood tapes came out. and i remember just sitting there and thinking, okay, this is a man who is bragging about abusing his power to sexually assault women and he's now in the white house. i don't think we will see change until there is real accountability and i mean criminal accountable for abusing your power, and that's what this is all about. >> we have to leave the conversation there. before we go, i want to take note of the folks in california dealing with those devastating wild fires. when you stand there and look at the devastation, there are no wordsment i want to recognize the heroism of the first responders running towards the danger and all the folks that lost loved ones, obviously, all of our thoughts are with you. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
allhave brought the problemthe mosof sexual harassmentllywood to the forefront. we'll look at how the laws in our area protect potential victims. let them sleep? more school districts are considering later high school start times to help sleep deprived teens. we'll look at the pros and cons. and understanding your money. a local expert says he can help navigate the often confusing world of personal finances. male announcer: "nbc10@issue" starts now. erin: and good morning to you, i'm erin coleman. movie mogul harvey weinstein was fired from his own company last week, days after a new york times investigation uncovered sexual harassment allegations going back 30 years, and it's brought this issue of sexual harassment back into